Comments on naijablog: That bill again

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2007-05-21T11:10:00.000+01:00

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Please see this link that show an Iranian girls had be harmed by Iranian police because here topcoat were not like some model who Islamic Government had determined by Quran!

Many Iranian People do not like Islam but government Kill and harm them.

قال زهرا بنت رسول الله از جهنم:

خداوند فرمود بواسته دروغی که برخدا بسته ام و خود را بانوی برگزیده خدا درجهان نام نهادم و چادر بسر کردن را بر زنان جهان اجباری کردم و چون به خاطر گناه زهرا بنت رسول و پدرش و خاندانش بر زنان ایران ستم می شود و دختران را کتک می زنند.

خداوند امر کرده زهرای بنت رسول درجهنم کسش باز شده و اهل جهنم و بهشت بر کس او می رینند و زهدان حضرت زهرا پر از گوه شده .
و مکرو و مکرالله

حزب مبارزه با ستم اسلامگرایان (فاکرین حزب الله ) اعلام کرد چون ریشه همه بدبختی های ملت ایران و جهان اسلام است به ازای هر ظلم به هر ایرانی میلیون ها کیر خر و کیر خوک و ...کامنتی به کس و کون آل محمد رسول الله روانه خواهد کرد.

کیر و سنده خوک تو کس حضرت زهرا بنت رسول الله

به حزب ما بپیوندید و کامنت دونی ها را پر از آنچه شایسته آل محمد است کنید.

کسانی که به زبان های خارجه مسلط هستند کامنت دونی های وبلاگ های خارجی را مستفیض فرمایند.

هرکس روزانه در 10 وبلاگ انگلیسی زبان یا عرب زبان آنچه شایسته محمد رسول الله است را بنویسد تا خارجی ها متوجه علاقه ایرانیان به اسلام شوند. اگر فقط 1000 نفر هم از حزب ما استقبال کنند بزودی اکثر سایت های دارای رنکینگ اینترنت پر از ابراز نفرت ایرانیان نسبت به اسلام خواهد شد.

برای خلیج فارس بمب گوگلی درست کردید که چرا دریای فارس را عرب کرده اند فرهنگ عرب حاصل تفکر محمد رسول الله پست تر از شیطان و حیوان را به فرهنگ درخشان 2500 ساله ایرانی برگزیده اید؟ نگرانید که چرا خلیج فارس را عرب نام گذاشته اند ولی ناراحت نیستید که از بیخ عربتان کرده اند؟

ستاد حزب مبارزه با ستم اسلامگرایان.
و نحن الفاکرین الغالبون
We will have all hizbolla women fucked by dogs.
Now God, say you must fucked Mohammad and Quran by send message to all people of world.
This message sent from Iran

@Bisi d - Suppose you were invited to a tv panel t...

2007-03-15T23:29:00.000+01:00

@Bisi d - Suppose you were invited to a tv panel to discuss this issue, will these (preceeding rants) be your approach? You 'let it slip' that you are a lawyer but your comments smacks of 'area girl'. Even if you are gaythis is no way to debate. You only succeeded in suggesting that YOU have some psycho issues, in which case i'd say get some help.
I'm sure Jeremy doesn't intend this debate to turn into such a horrible catfight.

--Oyinkansola

No matter how we feel about someone's lifestyle or...

2007-03-15T02:11:00.000+01:00

No matter how we feel about someone's lifestyle or opinion, we must remember to respect them. You might not like what they do or say, but it is always the moral, ethical and proper thing to stand up for those who are attacked unjustly.

I can honestly admit that I am against same sex marriage, just haven't wrapped my head around it. As to who you sleep with in the privacy of your room, that one no concern me.

We must not continue to equate pedophilia with homosexuality. They are 2 distinct things. Most pedophiles are actually heterosexual. If pedophilia is our concern as a nation (as well it should be, if you don't believe me check out a few very good Nija related blogs), we should enact laws to protect children from pedophiles, regardless of their sexual orientation. While we are at it we can enact and enforce laws that are protective rather than exclusionary.

At the end of the day, we are all sinners. We also cannot judge others because humans, no matter how smart or self-assured we are, are imperfect. That being the case, the best thing we can do is protect the rights of ALL OF US. Not, allow religion, politics, economics, greed to cloud our judgment and create second class citizens that will persecuted with the force of the law. Who will determine who is gay under this bill? Will you be accused of homosexuality? If you are a homosexual is it fair? If you are a heterosexual, is it fair?

It just doesn't make sense. But as someone already noted, Nigeria is a country (like many others) where those in power try to distract us from the turth. The truth is that people are dying, children cannot go to school, places in Benue state have not had electricity since 1973, civil servants do not get paid while our 'leaders' fly abroad for medical care with Presidential jets. We have allowed ourselves to become irrelevant. that is why Nigeria is spending time and money trying to pick on homosexuals who have done nothing to create our problems. Abi na homosexual wey chop our money? Or na homosexual wey cut your light?

Distraction as a weapon. Works wonders indeed. I am afraid this bill will pass. All that can be done is to educate ourselves - no matter how you feel about homosexuality. Maybe someday, we will learn to not use division tactics to cause pain to one another but find ways to live together.

lets do this online petition stuff. If we invite e...

2007-03-13T16:01:00.000+01:00

lets do this online petition stuff. If we invite everyone on our mailing list to sign it and i am sure it will show those bigots that there decision is not representative. Can't a Nigerian start this whole process? I don't think Jeremy should be the one to start this.

my suggestions as to how to fight this bill? I thi...

2007-03-13T15:25:00.000+01:00

my suggestions as to how to fight this bill? I think a more pertinant question is whether citizens of Nigeria in Nigeria and in the diaspora will stand up and resist this bill? Are we as a nation strong enough to resist this? Can we move the debate away from "gay rights" and more to "human right" As someone above said, friends of ours, gay or not could be find themselves on the wrong side of the law for talking to someone of the same gender too long?!

It's gonna take time for the likes of lolita to understand that just because I'm gay does not make me a criminal nor a threat. It's about my rights as a human, and your rights as a human. Our sexualities, religions, shoe sizes should not even enter the equation.

When we can have this open discussion is when more people - deconesses included- will resist any attempt by the govt to infringe on the rights of any group.

I'm afarid I don't have any answers, some suggestions have been made - including the online petition - look what happened when Tony Blair tried to quietly consult the public about changing the road taxing law, 1m+ signatures later he got kicked back. We must also kick these bills back and demand better from our leaders.

Another effective means of expressing opposition t...

2007-03-13T14:13:00.000+01:00

Another effective means of expressing opposition to this bill is through an online public petition. One can be made for free at PetitionOnline. I have seen some very high profile petitions on this site that have attracted the attention of the national and even the international media.

lm - Did the New Testament also not say that the w...

2007-03-13T13:24:00.000+01:00

lm - Did the New Testament also not say that the women should keep silent in church- why then the rash of female pastors and deaconesses in Nigeria? Ah, did I just hear you say the words "interpretation" and "context"?

I see

i'd like to suggest a way of trying to stop this b...

2007-03-13T08:26:00.000+01:00

i'd like to suggest a way of trying to stop this bill, we must all make a huge fuss about it, we should text, email, blog, talk about it to all who will listen , lets but it out there, lets all start signing on a paper and pass it round, via email , txt, anything you can think of, the more peole we have who do not support the bill the better. it's jus an idea.

debasco you are right we have to stop it. But wha...

2007-03-13T07:10:00.000+01:00

debasco you are right we have to stop it. But what can we do? do you have any suggestions as to the way forward? Lets have your views. We have to stop this bill, but how? so many of us feels so powerless to do anything about it.

What saddens me apart from the usual rant the "chr...

2007-03-13T00:44:00.000+01:00

What saddens me apart from the usual rant the "christian elite" who seem to have the moral right to exisit above all others, is the resignation from nearly everyone that this bill will pass to law. Who is challenging this? The Deconesses and Pastor Dr of Naija today will force this through if we do not stop this ridiculous bill. We cannot wait for international help, remember what happended in Rwanda? we have to help ourselves...

My dear sister Lolita. This so called naijablog is...

2007-03-12T22:59:00.000+01:00

My dear sister Lolita. This so called naijablog is written by a well known sinner. We who know the TRUTH know that the homosexual lifestyle is a satanic lifestyle. I also note from your comments and that of others that you are looking for a husband. Just to let you know that we at the church of greener pastures specialise in the finding of husbands for busy career orientated women like yourself. A woman's place is in the home and we will find a home for you! Kindly send us your details and a small donation and we will find you a husband before your clock stops ticking.
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IM, you are a true man of the Lord, SAY AMEN!A pla...

2007-03-12T22:34:00.000+01:00

IM,
you are a true man of the Lord, SAY AMEN!
A place in heaven has been reserved for you.

Jeremy,
I have warned you against the preaching of this unholiness. Do not forget what Pastor Ayodeji taught you
The African man loves the African woman, and there is no other way around it. Whenever a man does sleep with another man in our beloved country (as I hear they do in the prisons and in Boarding Schools), it is the Devil that has entered his loins. We must join together and pray for deliverance, that his loins may be cleansed and not emptied into the nether regions of his poor victim. Satan be gone from our rich and fertile soil! In Jesus name.
For those of you who require spiritual guidance, do not forget to visit our blog
The Church of Greener Pastures - The Grass is always greener on our side

Just because I do not agree with the homosexual li...

2007-03-12T21:03:00.000+01:00

Just because I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle does not mean I HATE homosexuals,

You don't hate them but you want them to stay in a Nigerian prison for 5 years because you disagree with their lifestyle. After all, you did say
I believe homosexuality is contagious, I also believe that it is a choice, it is also a learned behaviour and I agree that the law should be passed.

Lolita, i repeat you are a DUNCE

This is what happens when people do not study classical subjects at university but rush through some "bus admin" or "estate management" course.

No critical thinking skills whatsoever. Once again,
YOU ARE A DUNCE and your blog dey dry. That is why you are not getting hits. I see you had no reply when I pointed out your hypocrisy by using the name Lolita. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO ALL WOMEN.

Oops! I meant to state in my last sentence "....a ...

2007-03-12T16:36:00.000+01:00

Oops! I meant to state in my last sentence "....a million times YES!!!"

@IMYou have clearly stated your stance. You would ...

2007-03-12T15:43:00.000+01:00

@IM
You have clearly stated your stance. You would ram your new testaments views down our throats and that is our lot.

So the Muslims and other religions and those like Myself who worship our gods at the bottom of ant hills have no morals or values or further still we do not know or have the ability to judge what is right or wrong, unfair or just?

You are telling me that my forefathers and yes Yours who did not know christianity were immoral and had no values.

You need to EMANCIPATE yourself from Christianity Slavery!

PS - I know FOR SURE that on JUDGEMENT DAY, people like you will definately receive the wrath of God. Yes I will be there standing by him at the Pearly Gates and when you appear, he will land one KILLER BLOW to your jaw and smash it. You know why? For using your mouth to misrepresent his word and views.

Good Day

Im, incase you have not noticed, Nigeria is a mul...

2007-03-12T15:42:00.000+01:00

Im, incase you have not noticed, Nigeria is a multi ethnic, multi-religious State.It is also a developing country with a colourful varity of people, do not impose your religious views on others beacause you wouldnt appreciate it your self.
As for lolita, you should get your facts straight before you go off shooting your mouth, it would really amaze you who is gay in the Nigerian society, it would amaze you,because peole you had always respected and looked up to you would now look upon with digust stemming from your bias and judgemental piont of view.

Im says he/she is a christian(well so am i), that ...

2007-03-12T15:12:00.000+01:00

Im says he/she is a christian(well so am i), that the bible is infallible and also that homosexuality is unatural, do you know for a fact that homosexuality has been in existence since forever and even in Africa as well?
saying that you'll support the bill by voting even if the people fighting for it to be passed have ulterior motives means you are insensitive just like the rest of the world was when the jews were being persecuted and gased by Hitler. you can't preach human rights and then condemn gay people in the same breath.Or would you rather go back to the Abacha days when nobody had any rights?
D.

Piranha and towing-the-same-line-drones, I was ful...

2007-03-12T14:54:00.000+01:00

Piranha and towing-the-same-line-drones, I was fully inclined to ignore your latest incoherent dribble but I take strong offence to being likened to HITLER!!!

It's funny because a lot of your own dissertations just mirrored and proved exactly what I have been saying.

It is also funny how some people think that routing for the underdog makes them seem more compassionate and humane!
Ha! Foolery, I tell you, foolery!!

I know you are enjoying this volley of opinions, we are Nigerians, after all, we love to bark but this is the last I have to say on this topic on this blog!

Understand this, I care about Human beings and Human life, I care most especially about our future existence. Just because I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle does not mean I HATE homosexuals, I cannot stress that enough!!!! So most of the utter rubbish that a few of you have hurled at me could have been saved!

There will always be a never-ending supply of causes to fight for, so in the future Piranha when you decide to fight for your right to have sex with and marry Kemi D - Your Adult female goat, as per consenting adults there will be just as many dodo heads ready to fight for your rights.

Oh, by the way, thanks for stopping by my blog, Tchuse!

I expected the criticisms and welcome them. Whatev...

2007-03-12T12:50:00.000+01:00

I expected the criticisms and welcome them. Whatever anyone's opinion is, my opinion is mine. My beliefs are also based in what St Paul stated about homosexuality and I believe the New Testament in particular is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is thus INFALLIBLE.

Yes, everyone has sinned and yes one should not judge others and blah, blah, blah. How should that be a criterion for addressing ills in the society? So if one commits murder (not talking about in self-defence but simply cold-blooded murder for the heck of it), we should all fold our arms and say "judge not" and pat the person on the back saying "we won't judge you, we are certain you are sorry for it" and release the criminal to take more lives etc.? Don't get me started on the judgement angle. Sin is sin. I too have sinned and fallen short of God's glory but I won't make excuses. I will confess my sins, repent and seek God's mercy. The same goes for other crimes.

I think it is convenient for some people to declare that church and state be kept separate, when the issue of homosexuality comes to the fore. They forget that some of what is even morally-acceptable behaviour are rooted in Christianity - thou shall not kill, steal, bear false witness against your neighbour etc. If one completely divorces Christianity from affairs of the state, which are meant to govern morally-acceptable behaviours in its citizens, then the society will become amoral and each will do as he likes. There should be boundaries, and Christianity helps to set things straight. Then there's the added fact that we will all stand in judgement before God one day for things we have or have not done. By God's grace, I hope I make it to heaven :)

I won't even bother to address each comment made in reaction to my stance but I will stress however that I do not support homophobic crimes. Homosexuals should not be denied their rights but regarding that peiece of legislation, a million times NO!!!

P.s I have read some comments and I wonder why some have used this medium to heap insults on other people? Surely as adults (I can only hope), healthy exchange of opinions can thrive????

All jokes aside, I would bet good money that Lolit...

2007-03-12T06:01:00.000+01:00

All jokes aside, I would bet good money that Lolita is a closeted lesbian.

I'm not just saying this because I disagree with her opinion. Seriously. I have good reasons. I bet she fantasizes about women ALL THE TIME.

Lolita, You are a dunce and an incoherent one at t...

2007-03-11T23:13:00.000+01:00

Lolita,
You are a dunce and an incoherent one at that.

You are clearly one of those Naija girls throwing herself at every half-decent specimen of manhood in desperation to get married. Your problem is that you believe homosexuals are reducing the available pool of men for desperates like yourself and it is because of them that you have not yet found a husband.

You are exactly the same as those women who think inter-racial dating is immoral because "white women are stealing all our men".

STOP BEING SO JEALOUS.

Move on. Try online dating or whatever, gay-bashing is not going to provide you with a husband.

To be honest, I am not surprised. Your use of the moniker "Lolita" as well as your comments clearly indicate you are obsessed with Sex.

e.g Also, homosexuality IS all about sex, that is after all, the definition, isn't it: a sexual attraction to person's of one's own sex!
ODE.
People get married for reasons other than sex. It might be hard for you to understand, but they do.

You mention sex so much on your blog anybody who's taken Psychology 101 will know what your issue is. Announcing to the whole world how you are aspiring for love.

Anyway, on the off chance that you actually have two brain cells to rub together, read the point again.

The bill is criminalizing homosexuality and it should not be a crime, certainly not along with the ludicrous examples of armed robbery and paedophilia you gave.

and while we're on the subject, you clearly feel that paedophilia is a bad thing and yet you call yourself Lolita. HAVEN'T YOU READ THE BOOK? Or you just saw a t-shirt with "Lolita" on it and you thought it was a nice name?

Is it so that boys/old men/aristos will see you as sexualised pre-pubescent "fresh meat"?
Or what exactly?

Go read the book, dumbass.

It is about a 40 year old paedophiles justification of his relationship with his 12 year old step daughter, Lolita.

Do the research; you will see the growth in numbers since society became more open to it.
Your illogical reasoning is astounding. Have you considered that there has not been a "growth in numbers" but actually a growth in people willing to admit to being gay?

Who are you to say whether homosexuality is a choice or not? Since you are not gay it is not your place to comment. Those who are gay say they always have been and why should we doubt them because "lolita" said so?

As a woman you are a disgrace to an entire gender.
You should be asking why in Nigeria
-The penalty for indecently assaulting a woman in Nigeria is a mere 2 years irrespective of the circumstances.
- However indecently assaulting a man is a graver punishment of 3 years, but
- Two consenting men who decide to have sex in the privacy of their bedrooms will get 5 years.

These are the bad laws that lawyers like myself are fighting to fix.

WE ARE SUFFERING IN NIGERIA. I AM IN LAGOS NOW AND THERE IS NO ELECTRICITY, NO RUNNING WATER, NO PETROL.

This just goes to show the priority of our so-called leaders and the idiots who go about approving of the rubbish that they are doing.

Why don't you go and think about why we have such bad laws instead of wondering where your next bit of sperm is going to come from?

I came across this link on another blog. The arti...

2007-03-11T23:06:00.000+01:00

I came across this link on another blog. The article makes a mockery of the argument alluded to in the comment by lolita that unions and marriage are meant for procreation.

Why do people always compare Homosexual people to ...

2007-03-11T22:37:00.000+01:00

Why do people always compare Homosexual people to Paedophiles,just because they are gay you cannot sugest they lure children to sleep with them BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY???? thats just outrageous!!

That is like sooooo Bizare Homosexuals Are Human too and need to be protected, it seems like from alot of narrow minded and misinformed humans that think they can persecute people beacuse of their sexuality!!!

IT IS SOO NOT FAR AND A BREACH ON HUMAN RIGHTS WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HUMAN RIGHTS THERE IS SO MUCH OTHER CRIMINAL AND HORRIBLY BARBARIC AND INHUMANE THINGS HAPPENING IN NIGERIA THAT THE SOCIETY NEEDS PROTECTING FROM AND IT IS NOT GAY PEOPLE!!!...

I AM A CHRISTIAN ALSO..LEAVE ALL JUDGEMENT TO GOD!
I AM SURE WE ARE ALL SINNERS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULLD NOT THROW STONES...TYPICAL HUMAN NATURE TO ALWAYS PICK ON THE MINORITY THE ONES WITHOUT A VOICE!!!

FORGET GRAMMER THIS NA SIMPLE MATTER!! IT IS UNFAIR, WRONG NOT RIGHT AND IT IS PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT THIS BILL IS RIGHT... WELL NA DEM BE THE HEAD CASE...

MY OWN OPINIONS!!!

@lolitaWhen I decide to clarify you HYSTERIC OUTBU...

2007-03-11T18:04:00.000+01:00

@lolita

When I decide to clarify you HYSTERIC OUTBURST, you call it a rant! How rich!!!

You can choose to continue burying your pretty head in the sand……

I do not want to turn this serious issue about People’s lives and rights into juvenile squabble with you.

It’s a shame that when different groups fight for their rights to existence and acknowledgment, you choose to call this contagious as more and more of the once faceless people and silent people choose to come out.

Just because more homosexuals are choosing to come out of the closet does not mean they are contagious – they are standing up for their human rights and will not accept bullying anymore from the likes of you. Homosexuality has existed in Africa and Nigeria in particular for years.

Disabled children/people used to be drowned or strangled at birth and in most instances those who survived death, were kept in institutions or were kept tied up at the back of homesteads like animals. So fast forward today - Disabled People are fighting for their rights to existence and more of them are visible. Does that mean the increase in the number of visible Disabled People is due to their mutation?

Do you know how long people with mental health have been fighting for their right not to be institutionalised for life or how homosexuals used to be electrocuted to rid homosexuality out of them?

Are you even aware that there are many, many women who are still fighting for basic rights like no forced marriages, rape etc, so if they come out and wanted to be counted, then they are multiplying? Wake up women! Get off you tilting high horse

Don’t make judgements about people whose shoes you have not walked in.

You obviously think all Men were put on this earth to fertilise the female species. You could not be more wrong.

Am sure you would be happily be married to a closet homosexual with your 2.4 children and white garden fence and put up this whole ‘happy front’….but guess what?, who would be fooling who?

Someone with your kind of thinking exterminated a lot of people. His name was HITLER. As you are aware he killed Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, the mental and physically disabled etc

The difference between You and Him is that I would like to believe that you know better – clearly NOT.

PS – Do you have sex with everyone who is sexually attracted to you? Clearly that’s what you think homosexuals do

For your information – homosexuals exist in all spheres of the economy, they maybe your doctor, dentist, gynaecologist, lecture etc…. they do not have tattoos on their foreheads

What about animals that practice homosexuality – what are you going to do about this? Legislate?

I do not want to hog Jeremy’s blog – but you could read something on the history of homosexuality in Africa. Well to burst your balloon, homosexuality has existed for hundreds of years, but hey continue wading in your ignorance if you think it is a new phenomenon.

I had to skim through your blog to try and understand your shallow views and boy was I on spot

You need to reread your own blog

Thursday, 21st September 2006 – titled ‘Why should words spoken cause a person to take another’s life’

Wednesday, 1st November 2006 – titled – ‘I apologise’

PPPSSS - Stick you full stop……..

History of homosexuality in Africa
http://www.bidstrup.com/phobiahistory.htm

Piranha and Kemi, I expected a thoughtless rant th...

2007-03-11T04:28:00.000+01:00

Piranha and Kemi, I expected a thoughtless rant that was exactly why I made sure I threw in the pre-emptive caveat. Hmm, serves me right for being elementary!

Again, It was not so much a comparison, more so than to bring to Piranha's attention the fact that very many individuals on a daily basis perform acts and live lives that are not widely accepted all the while damning the consequences.

Encore une foie, as I said before, people choose to be homosexual, and, yes, homosexuality is contagious. Do the research; you will see the growth in numbers since society became more open to it.

Also, homosexuality IS all about sex, that is after all, the definition, isn't it: a sexual attraction to person's of one's own sex!

Before we get our panties in a bunch, I never said homosexuality was a crime or that homosexuals are criminals but that the more the lifestyle gets touted, accepted and embraced then the more people are going to want to try it because they are free to; then what happens to the human race when homosexuality becomes the majority? How do we procreate? What, through sperm banks and artificial insemination?

It is okay to fight for human rights but sometimes before you pick up your swords, marinate on the long term effects?

Granted the bill sounds a little out there but I do believe that there should be some type of constraint on same sex marriage/union.

Full stop!