Comments on naijablog: The phobic antiblack body

@EshuHey Einstein! Can't take critisism can you? T...

2006-10-12T09:54:00.000+01:00

@Eshu
Hey Einstein! Can't take critisism can you? Typical and predictable!. "Black intellectual" pah!
Suddenly anyone who begs to differ ... is intellectually challenged.
At least Jeremy connects with his readers.
"shit-hole for crap comments"
We don't say that in the ghettoes anymore professor! Too last decade. But I bet you've been buried under your dusty old books for too long to know that!

2006-10-11T17:41:00.000+01:00

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@Eshu"The teaching profession assumes that black b...

2006-10-11T14:02:00.000+01:00

@Eshu

"The teaching profession assumes that black boys have natural tendencies to wildness--the media tells it so. (And it does not distinguish between Nigerian and African-Caribbean, it just does black"

See, you hit the nail right on the head there but most times you bury valid arguments under "pseudo-intellectual piffle" to quote Kemi.

Are you a professor or something? or maybe there is a contest between you and Jez to see who is the most learned.

Your posts are sometimes read by mere mortals guys! so when you are discussing real issues keep it real OK. Overly flowery jargon does not make your point any more valid.

Jeremy..What happened to my comment on this post??...

2006-10-11T13:02:00.000+01:00

Jeremy..What happened to my comment on this post?? Why was it not published?

Sisioge

2006-10-11T12:46:00.000+01:00

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Why did Eshuneutics delete his posts?

2006-10-10T21:38:00.000+01:00

Why did Eshuneutics delete his posts?

On a lighter note, there is an endearing attribute...

2006-10-09T14:59:00.000+01:00

On a lighter note, there is an endearing attribute of the "black male body" that has not been mentioned here. The BMB is not always feared or hated. It could be craved and coveted and is the greatest love machine there is. And if, like the love of my life the BMB has a good heart and head thrown in, my oh my...!!

once you send the problem african kids to africa f...

2006-10-09T14:47:00.000+01:00

once you send the problem african kids to africa for discipline. where do you send the caribbean ones or those who have no other country to call "home"??

Interesting blog. :)

2006-10-07T21:20:00.000+01:00

Interesting blog. :)

Yes. Let's send all the problem black youths to Ni...

2006-10-07T18:07:00.000+01:00

Yes. Let's send all the problem black youths to Nigeria.Then they can learn corruption first hand: a fantastic educational idea. Commandant Naijablog could set up a black boy correction programme based on vocational learning: robbery, gun-crime and murder.

Jeremy,You are spot on about context being the rea...

2006-10-07T16:51:00.000+01:00

Jeremy,

You are spot on about context being the real issue here. Witness: the stream of UK/US based Africans sending teenage boys "home" for secondary school, in order to "save" them from the system.

I am not competent to analyse the theoretical underpinning of the "black male body" thing. I do know that young black males are the probably the highest victims/perpetrators (the two usually go together) of certain classes of violent crime in the UK. By extension they are also more likely to be out of school, having brushes with the law and eventually in prison.

One other relevant factor, I believe, is social class. In UK blacks are of a lower social order (almost regardless of income). The young black male is of the lowest amongst the low (a. because of their blackness and b. because of the stereotyping and statistics working against them). It seems sending them to Nija not only puts them in a nore "disciplined" environment, but also one in which they feel valued, important - where they are permitted (indeed expected) to be ambitious.

Self-image and self-esteem are as important as the value/image placed on black boys by non-black boys.

I think.

Anon

2006-10-06T21:27:00.000+01:00

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Just bitch slap the racist. When you enter a bus a...

2006-10-06T19:37:00.000+01:00

Just bitch slap the racist. When you enter a bus and they clutch their handbags, bitch slap them. I did it when I was 6 in Holland and it still feels good.

My mom had to apologise sha.

Too much nonsense is being spouted by this eshuneu...

2006-10-06T19:18:00.000+01:00

Too much nonsense is being spouted by this eshuneutics character.
Had you said that more attention should be given to liberating black males from stereotypes subconsciously imposed upon them (Fanon enters here) by a white supremacist patriarchal culture, then I would have applauded your views.
Jeremy he's basically saying unless you admit that the fault is that of your culture and not mine, and that we blacks are merely victims I will not accept anything you say.

What a load of horseshit.

Anybody who says
Why divorce "Racism" and "white supremacy" as if they are different? They are the same:
Must have a couple of screws loose.
That sentence immediately implies that the only kind of racism that exists is that perpertrated by whites on blacks, as if blacks aren't racists to whites, or asians aren't racists to blacks also. There is a lot more to racism than white supremacy.

If after 25 years of teaching he hasn't grasped that simple concept, i shudder at what he must be teaching those poor kids (in a state school no doubt).

Eshuneutics should know that Littering your comments with pseudo-intellectual piffle won't fool everybody.

I agree with many of your points Eshunetics - and ...

2006-10-06T18:01:00.000+01:00

I agree with many of your points Eshunetics - and bow down to your experience. My blog can be a bit of a repository for flip comments - but then that's the medium innit?

But I'd still like you to address this point: children become unruly oftentimes when they are not disciplined adequately. Yes of course there should not just be discipline - there should be fun, positive role models, love etc. But are you suggesting that black boys should somehow be exempt from discipline, simply because they are growing up in a white privileged world? Surely its a matter of needing both - love and nurture and positive stuff, plus corrective discipline.

Quite a few teachers I've spoken to think that modern education is far too touchy-feely lovey dovey these days. It lies in tandem with the prevailing neurotic middle class model of parenting which involves allowing little Jemima her exact specifications into which cereal and yoghurt she eats for breakfast. In other words, it bespeaks a world where there are no disciplinary boundaries between parent and child - as if 'discipline' is inherently coercive. In fact it is not.

I suspect that this is where a lot of current educational debate has gone wildly wrong - assuming that children should be given more autonomy and their feelings should be 'respected'. Its a society built for grooming monsters.

Is it becos I is black?

2006-10-06T15:16:00.000+01:00

Is it becos I is black?

Have to give you respect for your honesty on this ...

2006-10-06T14:03:00.000+01:00

Have to give you respect for your honesty on this one. Regarding young black males and white school teachers. As someone who has personal experience of raising black kids in London I can fully attest to the fear of black boys by white teachers and the whole institutional racism in schools and colleges - in many cases there is a conscious effort to demean and crush the black male child.

2006-10-06T12:27:00.000+01:00

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so you are scared of the black male "body",what ab...

2006-10-06T11:21:00.000+01:00

so you are scared of the black male "body",what about the black female body?
these "peckham boys" are like area boys to me i just ignore them,i am more afriad of the nigerian police than some youth that still lives with his mummy

Your comment is not fully coherent Eshunetics. I'...

2006-10-06T10:06:00.000+01:00

Your comment is not fully coherent Eshunetics. I've read quite a bit on race theory, written very close readings of aspects of Fanon's Black Skin White Masks etc. However, there remains the brute reality of the teaching system in the UK which your penchant for theory misses: young black boys are often feared by white (not black) teachers. If you talk to both white and black teachers you will find confirmation of this. It is a point about racist body images being perpetuated at a sub-conscious level. Black teachers are less likely to perpetuate this construction and repetition of fear. Its a simple point based on many discussions with teachers. I'm not sure where the research you mention is headed if it cannot pick up simple things like this. Your point seems to be that the question of whether teachers are white or black is irrelevant. This is an example of when theorising becomes worse than useless..

2006-10-06T01:22:00.000+01:00

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Spot on Jeremy, very insightful. I also am not afr...

2006-10-05T17:37:00.000+01:00

Spot on Jeremy, very insightful. I also am not afraid in Nigeria but will be sceptical at times in Europe. Funny that.

I'm black and do suffer from a fear of the young "...

2006-10-05T16:22:00.000+01:00

I'm black and do suffer from a fear of the young "obnoxious looking" black male. I have on many occasions crossed the street, sat downstairs on a london bus or not entered a train carriage because of my insecurity.

I'm not sure it's entirely a question of race but one of perception/stereotype because I also suffer from a fear of the young white male in a hoddie and chavish clothing. Maybe it's just that I'm a wuss.

Now I understand...

2006-10-05T11:18:00.000+01:00

Now I understand...

Interesting post. I stand 6ft 4", 220. Growing up ...

2006-10-05T10:56:00.000+01:00

Interesting post. I stand 6ft 4", 220. Growing up in Nigeria the derogatory chant was dongo! Some might claim its a term of endearment. Growing up, there were times I wished I was shorter!

The irony is that since moving to the US, my height offers a distinct advantage. Its appreciated, in some sense feared. I am not in any sense a violent person, but you find yourself in situations where you those around tread very carefully.

Its called the big black man syndrome